I have done it with 38 special and 44 Mag, only to have a lead coated bore that looked like a rusty old drain pipe. 2, No. On 7/4/2018 at 11:57 AM, Bill Sahlberg said: There is nothing more accurate at PPC than 148 gr8 HBWC (lead) using 2.8 gr of 231 and a tight crimp with Starline 38 Special brass & a Federal Small pistol primer. My Hornady 11th edition shows this for 38 Special 158 gr lead RN, LSWCHP and LSWC. Be careful !!!! Bullseye is a little smoky, a lot sooty, and has a distinct odor. Load it like Trail Boss. That blunt-ended bullet cut a clean hole all the way through whatever its modest velocity allowed it to penetrate. I bet you can find some nice shooting loads with Bullseye. each bullet is different for oal due to a crimp groove on most. He has taught and been responsible for numerous advanced skills and weapons courses within multiple organizations. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Posted March 2, 2013. They are reliable accurate and deadly. This post was originally published in 2018. 25 Auto 32 H&R Magnum 32 Auto 32 S&W Long 357 Magnum 38 Special 38 Special +P 38 Super Auto +P 380 Auto 40 S&W 44 Rem. Like almost all pistol cartridges called ".38" the .38 Special actually takes .357" diameter bullets. I keep it under my seat in case I get an unwanted intruder and I cant get to my IWB semi auto. Using higher pressure loads will wear brass out faster and it will become brittle with time. Im not a hoarder and I dont keep them, but I am detailed in my process. These are hand loads.. load data was published in Lyman 50th edition.. Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense. for 38 special (Patrick Sweeney photo) September 15, 2021 By Michelle Hamilton, Field Editor. Since we are working with a gun that doesnt have a magazine, we can afford to mess with this dimension at will. .38 brass isnt as common as 9, .40, or .45 brass at the range, but of all the revolver brass you can find its the most plentiful. He loves this gun and keeps it in reach 24/7. When using a 158 gr. Winchester's 231 or WSL are also good powders for the .38 special. Battis, if you go to the very bottom of this page you will see Castpics. 357 LCR in 3 inch variant. VV N320, N330 and N340 are products of VihtaVouri Oy Company Seems like everyone is all orgasmic about bigger, faster, more of, etc. 6.) A 4 inch barrel would be my choice as well. Pasted as rich text. Very versatile cartridge. Power Pistols works well in short auto cartridges and higher pressure cartridges but no so well with a 158 grain bullets in 38 Special. And for 99% of the actual real world needs of a citizen for self defense it will work just fine. Notes: Bbl Length: 5.6; primer: Fed. The more serious concern for some loaders is that the small charges of fast-burning powder take up little room in the case, making it possible to double charge a cartridge and exceed safe pressure. Send the cylinder out to get cut for moon clips and adapted to 9mm, so you can shoot both 38/357/9mm and use all on moon clips. Any hotter and we get into a recoil issue. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The .38 with careful selection of components can be the cats as* for almost any shooter. Think a lot of people would find that a .44 special or .45 Colt, in a decent revolver, a viable alternate to a pistol. My brother put CT laser grips on his wifes M36. Hodgdon gives starting load of 4.0 grains and 4.4 grains MAX. SASS# 85224. She ran two cylinders of 100 grain wad cutters and gave it back to me. A bullet with a copper gas check or copper plating is best for INDOOR ranges to keep lead vapors out of the air. Installed some wood boot grips, modified them with grooves at the bottom of each side panel, similar to those on Pach. Load it using wadcutter specs, and seat the bullet flush, like a wadcutter. Heck, 38s in a J frame arent fun- theres no way a 327 Mag isnt worse. TITEGROUP AND 125GR 38 SPECIAL LOAD DATA Ammunition-Gunsmithing Reloading Forum Register Notices Consider Becoming A Supporting Member Click HERE For The Benefits Reloading All Reloading Topics Go Here Thread Tools Display Modes # 1 01-24-2016, 05:38 AM RONALD HENSLEY Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Waynesville NC Posts: 114 Likes: 12 Ive also switched from lead to Berrys Preferred copper plated bullets. (This is prevalent among most aftermarket designs- they are smallest in the longest, strongest finger area, and largest at the bottom pinkie area.). Great gun with the best factory double action trigger Ive ever shot. Disclaimer, I own or owned all the super calibers out there except the casull, theyre all fun and quite useful in some scenarios, but dont discount the old timer. It would seem that a 125 grain GDHP is of the same weight and would have a similar profile to what you want to use. The big medicine was delivered by a 1911, but S&W K frames (favorites were Models 12 & 64) took care of everything else. Boolit Grand Master. looks like today. Many reloading manuals also list an estimated pressure with a given load. The 38 Special Ball round was designed a long time ago to comply with specifications laid down for ammo that was : 1) Compliant with the Hague Accords of 1907 in regard to "unnecessarily" injurious ammunition. 2 and No. I'm guessing they still go bang, and leave the gun to go downrange. This gun now wears factory synthetic grips which are decent but could use more girth behind the trigger guard. My personal loads for practice replicate my carry. I have read some posts online from people who claim that it makes no difference whether the bullets are swaged or cast; and they can be loaded to the same velocity, but the swaged bullets will lead up a barrel faster because the lead is softer. 38 spl.s. .38 special has got to be one of the best calibers there is . With a charge of only 3.1 grains of Winchester 231 powder, velocities run around 750 to 800 fps with good accuracy and mild recoil. load is 4.4 grains for 38 special and 5.0 grains is a +P load. Ive done the majority of shooting in .38 Special in my Smith & Wesson 642. Were all familiar with the old adage, Never bring a knife to a gunfight. And while we should, The active shooter is a relatively new phenomenon in the grand scheme of things. Maybe its just my age, but I may never shoot a 38 again after discovering the 32. While I do have a GP100 in .357 magnum, I dont like shooting .38 special ammo out of it, because cleaning powder residue out of the longer chambers is a real bitch. The jump straight to relatively hot GI hardball challenged many students, and failure to meet standards meant being dropped from the course. I dunno. Im also impressed by the apparent durability of your Airweight J-frame. 4.0 gr. Go figure. I tried 10 shots of each: 2.2, 2.4, 2.5, 2.7. Bullseye is the best powder I have found for 38 special. )Lastly, the .38 SPL has a very large following and materials can be had readily. Just an FYI. The Speer #8 lists a max of 7.5 grs Unique with a 125 gr Jacketed SP This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 Special.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 . I've tried Berry's plated as well as Remington. Agree 100% since I reload and shoot it since years, lost count. Alliant listed 3.6 gr Bullseye as maximum (15000 psi) in 38 Special and 3.8 as max in 38 Special PLUS P (17000 psi) with 158 LSWC bullets. Be careful about published sources (and doubly so about internet sources), regarding maximum loads for the 38 special. Different colors can be used to identify different loads and since bottom of each bullet is also powder coated, there is less lead dispersed in the air at the shooting range. I just bought a Lyman mold 160 round nose with a crimp groove. The fast powders, W231, HP38, Bullseye would go over pressure very quickly with any slight changes, in seating depth or primer change. have been factored in, but Looks like starting with roughly 4.2 of W231. Recoil is mild enough that for many years it was the golden choice for the next introductory step for young or new shooters after rimfire. Since it hit the market 103 years ago, it has been a staple for most handloaders and the backbone of most accuracy loads in the popular calibers. Thats a pretty clear explanation and comparison of the NEEDS of the strength of the chamber for each caliber. Dec 18, 2011. (Inceptor) Diameter: 0.357" Powder: CFE Pistol (Hodgdon) Primer: WIN WSP Case: WIN Trim Length: 1.145" C.O.L. Very little recoil, and grouped acceptably out to 15 yards or so. (For those who would. Don't know of any bullets like that. WST seems like such a good powder in .45 ACP that I thought I might try it. True enough that it doesnt make power factor for Custom Defensive Pistol in IDPA or major in USPSA competition. A light target load, which tends to be very accurate, is about 3.1 grains, with a 158 grain bullet. Thanks for the excellent article, Josh! Compac for my little finger to wrap around under the butt. head I use 3.2gr. I have 100% confidence in my ability to shoot quickly, accurately, and comfortably with the 32, and I also have confidence that, if needed, my 32 H&R loads from Buffalo Bore and DoubleTap are quite capable of doing the job they are asked to do. I have a long way to go before I'm ready to compete, but enjoy plinking and hand loading. Sorry I can't be of more help, but I use 158 grain coated RNFP and don't use any of those powders that you list. 38 Special 17,000 Its just two lubed balls on top of each other with the top ball roll crimped just past the hemisphere. 4.2 gr. I thought about trying 2.5 gr. I load it almost exclusively though with either a powder coated or plated 125 grn bullet. For those who have issues using auto pistils, due ti arthritis or other medical issues with the hands an LCR or 642 is a great choice. The .38 Special remains very popular for personal protection and Michelle Hamilton shares her thoughts on the top loads for concealed carry, like this 158-grain SWCHP FBI Load, based on her testing. Really important to have a chrono if you're going to work up loads When I first bought my chrono, I was amazed at how HOT my loads were - unnecessarily. And yes I appreciate them for a hunting gun because of their fine accuracy and find trigger pulls (older classic guns). A circa 1918 Colt gobbled them up, as did several other 1911s that can be particular about bullet profile. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:00 am, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:36 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:46 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:45 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:50 pm. @ Grumpy- I tried LOTS of grips on S&W revolvers. 148-grain wadcutter brings accuracy that begs the shooter to test their limits. Do you folks think a start at 3.0 gr and work up from there with a 125 gr bullet would be a safe load. Nitpicking is its own reward., I believe the correct spelling is loathe . 110gr JHP! This is good, because the snub takes a lot of practice to have a consistent capability. https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t2221-distinguished-revolver-loads-that-don-t-suck. Also internet references 2009, Copyright. Too early Are you sure? But you guys need to practice more. I wanted a good carry gun that was light and reliable, so I decided that the .38 would fit and I just went with it. Instead, Ive favored things like the K and L frame Smiths (5 screw pre-model 10 and 686 in my case) and Ruger revolvers for higher round count activities. You gotta try the S&W M342 Airlight TI. I've been reading about this. In a 1909 vintage Smith & Wesson target .38, the 2.7-grain load cut a nearly one-inch cluster, showing that classics go well together. I checked out Alliant's website-no data for flat point with the powders I have, but data for Gold Dot HPs for Bullseye and Unique. That being the case, I truly NEED as much ammunition as possible and the ability to defeat soft barriers such as auto windshields, sheet metal, drywall, doors, etc. It was introduced in 1902 by Smith & Wesson, and has since become a worldwide cartridge. Thanks for your help. * Rules say (e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only. 10. ES 56 SD 24 PMC Eldorado Starfire +P 125 gr. The 125 Hornady XTP, a jacketed hollow point bullet that can easily handle 1500 fps velocities. Shot placement is just as important if not more. When I finally nabbed my own canisters of Bullseye, the first load I spun up was 2.7 grains under Hornadys hollow-base wadcutters. Others Have reported some success but few have more than one or two loads. +P? I load a hard cast 125gn for my 38 special all the time. Hehe, back before Nick skimmed down. Normal 38 spell loads for as long as I can remember were never loaded less than 800FPS and I have loaded for revolvers and autos such as my S&W mod 52 that only shoots flush wadcutters. Me too! The upside of the grainage is that the small charges mean more loaded rounds per pound of powderhelpful since Bullseye can take a while to reacquire once the container is empty. Anything goes with bullets. "Berry's Superior Plated Bullets are the finest bonded copper-jacketed bullets available today.." ?. Unlike many other guns Ive owned and carried, this little snubby really cant be modified much beyond factory configuration. Ok, will the bullet easily pass thru the cylinder throat, if so, you need the next larger size bullet dia. 38 Special +P 18,500 I only wish the brass was more available locally. Enter to win an FN FAL Rifle. I can usually keep 1.5" groups with it at 25 yards if I do my part. The .44 spl. Depends on what kind of load you're after. The 9mm produces about 35,000 psi, I load my own, 130 gr RNFP using Win 231 powder a little over the mid point in the published load data. This. Good point Len. Id pay at least a dollar to see it. I'm looking for some recipes for 38 special for a 125 grain copper plated (like Berry's) flat point bullet using Unique, Bullseye, or W231. YouTube has plenty of reloading channels or the Reloaders Network webpage has more info as well. Ammunition is available everywhere handguns are legal. Even though the gun was chambered for .357 Magnum, I plinked and practiced with a lot of .38s over the years. ES 27 SD 12 Independence 130 grain FMJ round nose MV 892 fps ME 230 ft./lbs. Most of these are at the upper end. 1.) Always make sure your lead bullets have been sized and lubricated. Case life is excellent, especially for mild loads. I can not be held responsible for. The proof pressure MAP specified by SAAMI is 29,500 psi for both rounds. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion, I'm looking for an accurate load using 125gr bullets. No benchrest, nothing but two shakey hands holding the pistol. Good thing I didn't go with the original powder charge I intended to use. WST is less dense than BE. I.E. Hodgdon's Basic Reloading Manual, (The free one, available for the asking. Softer alloys of lead are just easier on the machinery. Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. You can fit 7.1gr of powder under the 125gn JHP bullet? Do not use anything but light loads and lead bullets in these older revolvers. IT'S A COMBINATION TAPER AND ROLL CRIMP. The .38 Special is the most popular of all centerfire revolver cartridges. I have found that if you go down too low in charge you will have some ignition issues occasionally. YMMV. And I still think a 158 at 600 beats hell out of a 22 magnum of any stripe. I have tested both brass and nickel-plated cases using mild loadings and have not yet worn out a case. A longer case, with have a tighter crimp them a shorter one, what will lead to variations in pressure, and accuracy. Bullseye, Unique and 2400 are products of Alliant (formerly Hercules) Powders. Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue. 1.455 in. I simply took mixed brass and ran em through the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP press with the bare minimum preparation.

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